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  1. Your opinions are yours and I respect that bit can you really be so ignorant and frightened that you can’t even believe in that fact another advance civilization is out there.I hope I didn’t seem to rude like I said before you are entitled to ur own opinion.

    1. I appreciate your sentiments. :). However I strive to be a man of logic. There is a great deal of evidence that the UFO phenomenon is extra dimensional in origin and not extraterrestrial. If you haven’t had a chance yet, please check out the article entitled simply UFO’s? It is much more in depth. Thanks for stopping by and checking out my site and for the response.

      1. Of course there inter dimensional there much more advanced than us I just felt the need to comment because it Denys the fact of alien abductions and that makes me mad because I’ve seen the ETS that come for me and there not mean but very advanced.This is all I’ll say.

  2. This is awesome and am waiting for MORE AND MORE AND MORE!!! Thank you! 😊

  3. The rights to which the Founders refer are “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” They certainly did not imply an equality of outcome, merely of optRtrunipy.oegards.

  4. Clearly you have a deep faith. And there are plenty of sceptical voices you can heed on the subject of UFOs to help you sustain the ‘uniqueness of mankind’ notion. You quote them as reverently as you do the Bible. However I would direct you to books such as Leslie Kean’s ‘UFOs’ for a sober overview of the alternative argument. I cannot imagine after reading it that you will be willing to stick quite so firmly to your conclusions.

    The best evidence I have come across for alien visitation is the book by Paul R. Hill called ‘Unconventional Flying Objects’. It details the hard science of the best UFO sightings. Always readable it is nevertheless unsparing in its use of things like equations to make its point that the best sightings are scientifically consistent, despite being reported by the general public. He makes it clear that this can’t be chance. He had a career that included working with NASA and at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. From his writing style his brilliance is self-evident and, significantly, from the outset he doesn’t ask the question ‘are we alone’; he simply states that we are not. On page 311 he indicates he has classified knowledge to that effect. Interestingly, according to UFO lore, alien technology has been partly reversed engineered and one of the companies said to be involved in this is on Hill’s CV. He is dead now and the book was published posthumously by his wife.

    Even the notion of the uniqueness of mankind on Earth has been well and truly battered by science’s recent investigations into the higher mental functions of a range of animals. For example, elephants show a clear awareness of death and even date-specific annual migration to ritualistically grieve for the dead. It may be hard for you and indeed any of us to understand but there is a possiblity that some other creatures have a sense of the divine.

    I can see no sign whatsoever that science is turning away from the theory of evolution and it is sad that religious people still see evolution has having any bearing on faith. Genesis was clearly written by people who believed the sun and stars went around the Earth. This was in keeping with the Aristotelian view of Creation then widespread. Every word of Genesis confirms this. Did you really expect them to mention Black Holes and Supernovae? Did God forget to mention this stuff to the authors? Really? Perhaps they just caught Him on a bad day! More realistically, Genesis is a work of faith based on contemporary knowledge. To take it literally is to fight against the evolution of faith that took us from pagan sacrifice to the Sermon on the Mount. Yes, religion evolves as well just as people evolve throughout their lives. This seems to me to be the way of all things and, if I were religious, I would not feel so defensive towards the notion.

    1. Friend thank you for taking the time to consider my article and share your thoughts. As you can see from the majority of sources I site, the Lee are many ufologists (non-Christian) who have come to the conclusion that the UFO phenomenon is spiritual in nature, and not extra-terrestrial. The majority of investigators I referenced based their conclusions on years of firsthand investigation, and not on a priori religious convictions. The same is true with the many experts I quoted from who are opposed to the theory of evolution, based-not on religious persuasion-but on systematic studies of various scientific disciplines over extended periods of time. In fact, many of the scientists I quote in my articles are former atheists who embraced creationism after being persuaded by their evidenced in their particular field of scientific study. I am a Christian because of the evidence, not in spite of it. 🙂 this is especially true in regard to the many evidences that the Bible-including the Book of Genesis-demonstrates scientific truths which were far advanced for Moses’ time. If you are interested, I would highly recommend the book Genesis: The Biblical Basis For Modern Science by Henry Morris. Far from believing in ancient mythological concepts of a universe revolving around the earth system, the Pentateuch (and especially Genesis) reveals incredibly advanced scientific foreknowledge. Please message any time and share your thoughts. I will also try and look into the books you referenced, and I appreciate the suggestions very much. Thanks again and have a blessed day!

      1. I will keep an eye out for Henry M Morris’s book. My only concern is that when I look him up on Wikipedia, the Criticism section in the entry doesn’t exactly inspire me. I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. An expertise in civil engineering will only get you so far in the field of palaeontology!

      2. 😃. There is much more to Henry Morris then his degree in civil engineering, I promise. Wikipedia is an interesting website. There are many reasons why students are not allowed to use Wikipedia as a reference in research papers. (I wonder if their article on Charles Darwin points out that the only degree that he had was in theology? 😉). In any case, I believe if you check him out you won’t be disappointed. Some other excellent books that I would recommend are Brad Harrub’s Convicted: Scientist Examines The Evidence For Christianity and Kyle Butt’s Behold! The Word Of God. Enjoy my friend and God bless!!

      3. Oh, it’s that Josh Peck! I see…they’re not aliens, they’re…cherubims! How could I have been so blind not to see that! It all makes sense now! The experts who contributed to Leslie Kean’s book must be kicking themselves for not having deduced this!
        Alternatively, some modern Christians are simply trying to update aspects of their mythology to make it appear more pertinent to today’s world. This process continues, as I have already indicated, as manifestation of religion continuously evolving. Some of these new myths will endure longer and lead to new forms, but most will become rapidly extinct.
        Cherubims? This is pure religion after all, dressed in the garb of science.
        Witness the extraordinary doublespeak of Peck’s closing comments:
        “As always, my hope is not only to inform you, but to provoke further study and research on your own. There is a wealth of information out there; far more than can be included in a book such as this. I hope to broaden your horizons and cause you to consider a new perspective. Most of all, I hope to lead you to the truth. At the very least, I hope to convince you to search for the truth yourself, exploring all possibilities, and not necessarily sticking with the one that benefits you the most on a personal basis, but boldly accepting the one that is most correct and genuine, even if it means you must sacrifice your current paradigm.”

  5. Do you mean by ‘researcher’ in your post Josh Peck the actor? I can’t find anyone else with that name after a quick look on Google. If you do, well, I’m sure he’s a nice man, but REALLY?
    Whether you do or not let give you this thought. Accepting for a moment, ‘hypothetically’, that evolution is actually true, there will be those who will write books, give lectures, and produce apparently credible arguments contradicting reality. This will happen. There is a huge market for this because of need of people to believe in something solid, unchanging and authoritative that assumes authority and insists people regard it as absolute truth. It makes building a mental framework on which to make sense of the world so much easier. Rather than accept that we know very little about anything and what we do know keeps changing, it is much easier to believe that one thing is absolutely and always true. Having meddled with religion in the past I have experience of this.
    Some people, like me, like to examine thoroughly the source of what they are told. Many other people, I have found are…less fussy, shall we say. I have heard some superficially compelling arguments that the Earth is flat. However, astronomers have an alternative opinion and the evidence they provide, when compared with flat Earth evidence, is of a profoundly different order. If you are serious about truth above all else, you really must examine all the evidence and cross-check everything you are told. My experience of religious people is that truth is not their main priority. Believing what they believe is true, however, is their main priority and they will try to back up their beliefs using whatever source is on the market.
    The problem with faith is that new believers are presented with what I call the full kit. They are told that what they are told is not just what they are told but is true because they have been told it is true and if anyone has told them different then they must not believe what they are told!
    This is the absurd paradox that makes atheists and agnostics out of many. In the end, it is intellectually more consistent to stick to evidence and the checking of sources.
    As for Darwin, Wikipedia – unless you believe it is all made up, of course – will prove a revelation (no pun intended) if you are comparing him to Henry Morris!

    1. Sorry it has taken a while to get back up with you.

      Josh Peck, as far as I know, isn’t an actor. He has written some fascinating books on quantum mechanics.

      I’m sorry your experiences with religion have demonstrated that many are not interested in truth. I have met some who are not interested in the truth also, but who only want to promote and re enforce previously held beliefs. Of course, this is true of people from all types of backgrounds (religious and otherwise). The Lord declared that if any man wills to do His will, he will know whether the teaching is true (John 7:17).

      The facts of science continually point to the existence of the Creator, while at the same time refuting the vain imaginings of such philosophies as Darwinism. If you would like to examine some more evidences along these lines, please consider my articles Twelve Scientific Reasons To Reject Darwinism and A Doctor Examines The Theory Of Evolution (this latter one also examines the reasons why Darwin’s theories would not even be published today).

      I have to leave, I am getting ready for a Bible study with a friend at one, but I hope you have a great day!

  6. Excellent post and very informative. Someone years ago suggested to me to break up my too-long paragraphs into smaller pieces…makes them much easier to read and separates out key points.

    Also might I humbly suggest that you break up posts like this one into two or more pieces…this feels like about 3,000 to 4,000 words…which is too long for the typical blog reader to stay with…almost long enough to be a chapter in a book.

    God bless you.

  7. I think sheol could be real and that lake of fire isnt real or lake of fire is sheol and that sheol dosent litterally have burning sulfur some just try to scare you into believing in GOD. Sheol may be in a way absence from GOD but only in a few ways for example GOD the mothers was directly present in sheol for example and maybe not even GOD the father. I think about sinners who dont show remorse for their sins or dosent repent or beg and plead for forgiveness from both GOD the mother and even GOD the father wouldnt be worthy to be in heaven ever and instead go to sheol which in no one feels pain and do not starve and are not thirsty and cannot be destroyed either and sheol is like a void kind of so much black darkness and no flowers no waterfalls
    no forests no food and maybe not even animals. Even if GOD the mother and GOD the father werent present in sheol like when two are inside same room as others in some way their divine presence is still there yet far away like their divine power keeps everyone in sheol permamenty alive but not on earth kind of alive but afterlife kind of alive spiritually alive so to speak. GOD the mothers and GOD the fathers omnipotent powers sustains everything inside existence even sustains all humans in sheol.

  8. Though I am not sure if the text was added or not, the supporting ideas you share are simply not true. Verse 7 can be omitted very easily and the scripture would read just fine, because the witness of God is in verse 6, not in verse 7. In fact, verse 7 does not mention any witness. But verses 6 and 8 do. Verse 6 is the witness of God, and verse 8 clarifies again. And he who accepts THIS witness, has the witness in himself. I testify the Spirit of God is the Spirit of the risen Christ. Jesus Christ the Son of God came by water and blood, and the Spirit bears witness.

  9. Daniel does not teach the wicked will have immortality. Shame and everlasting contempt is what is said. Only the contempt is everlasting and contempt is what will be felt for then not what they will feel.

    1. Great question! The legitimate one that was found among the Dead Sea scrolls is available. My copy is in the book The Ancient Book Of Enoch by Ken Johnson. It is on Kindle. Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you, I just now started blogging on WordPress again. Most of my articles go on Facebook. I think I’ll start trying to do both again. God bless!!

  10. Mark,

    I am very interested in your site and content. I think that you and I are on the track. Justification (being declared right with God) is by faith alone, Rom. 4:1-5:21. Salvation (deliverance for those who have been justified) is by faith plus obedience, James 2:14-26, and others. This what Jesus said. “The work of God is to believe in Him whom He has sent.” But to those who have believed He, in effect, says, “Die with Me that you may truly live.” Salvation, in all of its forms, does not have anything to do with heaven, hell, eternity, or judgment. It simply means to be delivered. What you are being delivered from is 100% dependent on the context. So, a young widow is saved by getting re-married.

    I would like to continue a discussion with you.

  11. Thank you Mark. This is a consolidation of information on extra-Biblical sources that I have been looking for. I have put together a packet that contains the Gospel of John, a Bible Tract and now I can add this great source. Thank you again.

  12. Thank you for enlightment.
    Could you please explain how Lucifer and Jesus both are the morning star?

    1. Sorry it has taken me this long to see your comment, I’m getting back in the groove with WordPress. Thanks for your encouragement and I’ll share an article on that topic. God bless!
      Mark

  13. Russia’s Stalin studied at a seminary. Hitler was a Catholic (as was most of Germany) who put “Gott Mit Uns” – God is with us on the belt buckle of every armed forces member.
    Let us remember that even things done by Atheists, were not done in the name of Atheism.
    Somebody once said something very much like that…. Oh, yeah! It was you! 😯

    1. Thanks for reading and responding!

      Stalin was atheist and this philosophy led him to adopt his terrible practices which had no qualms about murdering people.

      Hitler was most definitely not a Christian even though he played the part. Instead he was a pagan who believed in and adhered to Darwin’s theory of evolution. I will provide ample evidence of this in some articles that I’ll post tomorrow Lord willing.

      Thanks again for reading and for your interesting thoughts!

      1. I repeat, and expand, for elucidation. Stalin may have later become an Atheist, but he was a Russian Orthodox Catholic when he attended a Christian Seminary. It was while he was there that he conceived and developed his plans for his later horrors. Either his study of God, the Bible, and Christianity caused it, or did nothing to prevent it.
        You Christian Apologists have got to stop playing the No True Scotsman game, and begin to accept responsibility for actions of those among you, that you blame on Atheists. 😯

      2. I repeat:

        Stalin’s horrible atrocities were a direct result of his atheist mindset. Unless you want to argue that Jesus’ teaching “love your enemies” lead to these attributes? (See Matthew 5:44-45).

        The problems you are reiterating are not about “Christians” and “atheists,” but about the worldview of Christians versus the worldview of atheists.

        If we want to see prime examples of what happens when atheism atheist worldview is espoused, check out Stalin (for one example).

        What happens when a people follow the Christian worldview as shown through Jesus Christ and the New Testament Scriptures?

        Let me know if you want to continue this discussion. 🙂

  14. Are you sure about Valentinus? Does not help when one understands Valentinus died in 160 AD where as Mani was born in 216, can we really say that Valentinus influenced Mani when there is a 56 year gap between death and birth. We can say for sure, it was not Valentinus himself that influenced Mani. Whether in his own writings or the writings of someone else-I do believe one would need to show that it was an adherent of Valentinus theology or some work by Valentinus that influenced Mani.

    1. Excellent question! Many of Valentius’s teachings were preserved in the church fathers. Johnson has this in his excellent study of Calvinism:

      “Valentinus said saving faith comes from your spirit, if you are one of the chosen (men are born saved),[ xvi] and some are not predestined to be saved but are predestined for hell. The rest might be saved through works.[ xvii] Only those whose spirits are an emanation from Sophia are predestined to be saved. All others are predestined to hell (double predestination),[ xviii] and those predestined for salvation do not need to practice good works.[ xix] So we can see that affirming predestination based on emanation, double predestination, denying original sin, and denying the need for holiness are all Gnostic ideas that Paul would classify as a “doctrine of demons.””

      — The Gnostic Origins of Calvinism by Ken Johnson
      https://a.co/fNMWBur

  15. This is what we need to understand. In over 5000 Greek manuscripts, are there errors whether intentional or not? Yep, lots and lots of them. What people need to really understand-when someone says there is an error in the manuscripts…it is not talking about right and wrong. What it is-maybe discrepancies would be better understood. When comparing two manuscripts-you find a hard time in one and the reason is in all CAPS and the other is not. So every time there is a difference even in just capitalization between texts…for each difference found-that is an error. If you see 100,000 or some big number of ‘Errors”, it is much ado about nothing.

  16. Interesting claims, but that is all you have. There is not one bit of evidence to support them, much less that Jesus Christ, son of god ever existed.

    Christians often fail to realize that their bible is the set of claims, which cannot be evidence for themselves.

    As for the claim that Jesus taught critical thinking, that is quite wrong. This character taught blind obedience. The stories are full of nonsense that actual critical thinking destroys. Examples are, 1. the claim one can see the entire earth from a mountain: that only works on a flat earth, which doesn’t exist. 2. the parable of the sower: the sower is at fault for being too stupid to cast the seeds where they would grow.

    These are only a couple of out many. Add to that all of the baseless and ridiculous claims, like the dead wandering around Roman-occupied Jerusalem, the religoio is no different than any other set of ignorant myths.

      1. they do not answer my questions, Mark. They are all typical excuses and false claims given by Christians.

        for example, claims that archaeology supports the claims of the bible are false. There is no evidence of Israelite slaves in ancient Egypt in the numbers claimed by the bible nor is there any evidence of the events in Exodus. Not one latrine, trashpit, grave has been discovered for the 600,000+ people that supposedly wandered around for 40 years in an area half the size of Pennsylvania. Christians and jews can’t even agree when this supposedly happened, and unsurprisingly, not one of Egypt’s enemies noticed them losing their entire army, food supply and a sizable portion of their population.

        That’s your problem, no evidence for the magic bits of the bible, so your claims are equivalent of claiming that a Spider-man comic book is true because it mentions New York City, or the myth that Athena and Poseidon participated in a contest to name the city of Athens.

      2. You say there is no evidence but I’ve provided tons of evidence. The problem isn’t lack of evidence: it is refusal to accept the evidence.

        Here is some more for you:

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/05/archaeology-and-ezra/#more-1611

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/04/judges-and-archaeology/#more-1590

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/08/does-archaeology-disprove-the-bible/#more-1689

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/05/archaeology-and-the-seven-year-famine/#more-1227

        https://marktabata.com/2021/07/21/king-nebuchadnezzars-madness-confirmed-by-archaeology/#more-1024

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/16/archaeological-evidences-of-joseph-in-egypt/#more-1770

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/05/how-a-lock-shows-us-that-the-book-of-judges-is-authentic/#more-1617

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/05/the-mysterious-mounds/#more-1610

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/04/joseph-and-imhotep/#more-1607

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/04/giants-lets-ask-the-smithsonian/#more-1597

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/11/the-dead-sea-scrolls-and-the-new-testament-scriptures/#more-1276

        https://marktabata.com/2021/07/21/the-qumran-fragments-and-the-new-testament/#more-1023

        https://marktabata.com/2021/11/18/genesis-and-the-enuma-elish-2/#more-1771

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/07/the-ebla-tablets/#more-1251

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/06/the-apiru-part-one/#more-1231

        https://marktabata.com/2021/03/12/evidences-of-a-global-flood/#more-950

        https://marktabata.com/2021/09/30/the-ipuwer-papyrus/#more-1177

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/15/the-continuing-confirmation-of-the-exodus/#more-1394

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/05/the-joseph-coins-2/#more-1226

        https://marktabata.com/2021/10/06/the-apiru-part-two/#more-1232

      3. and still more fail, Mark. Not one of these is evidence for your claims.

        The ipuwer papyrus mentions nothing about any of the events in the bible. That Christians and Jews try to claim it does shows just how little they have to support their nonsense. Any mere mention of a problem in Egypt, suddenly becomes 10 plagues, which no one noticed at all.

        I do love the “joseph coin” nonsense. Funny how there is not one image of these supposed coins. Gee, I wonder why.

        The same holds for the lies you have told about the Smithsonian supposedly documenting “giants”. I always love unsupported lies in self-published books. Quayle is a hilarious liar who preys on other morons to get them to buy gold. Like so many Christian liars, he never seems able to produce evidence for his claims.

      4. Vel,

        Your words just show your anger and arrogance. Every one of the facts I presented demonstrates concrete proof of the historical accuracy of the Bible, but you just want to hunt up a reason to reject them.

        1. The Ipuwer Papyrus is a document that contains several examples of confirmation of the Ten Plagues.

        2. The Joseph coins photos cannot be reproduced without violating copyright law.

        3. The Smithsonian Institute contains all of the information noted above.

        There is a reason why biblical archaeologist Titus Kennedy has noted:

        “Because the Bible contains stories from the ancient world, written in a style different than the method of modern historians and paired with theology, many have assumed that the narratives in the Bible are myth, legend, and propaganda instead of accurate history. In fact, the majority of scholars, most media and educational sources, and many in the general public regard the Bible as a fairy tale and frequently portray it as unimportant or irrelevant beyond literary and religious studies. For years, the Bible has been routinely attacked and disregarded on the basis of history or archaeology. And yet when people look into what archaeologists have unearthed, a different story comes to light, showing that instead of fiction and fairy tales, archaeology indicates that the Bible preserves an accurate recounting of the history addressed in its pages. Specifically, hundreds of artifacts from the distant past have demonstrated the events, people, and places in the Bible to be historical.” (Titus M. Kennedy, Unearthing the Bible: 101 Archaeological Discoveries That Bring the Bible to Life, 9(Kindle Edition); Eugene, Oregon; Harvest House Publishers)

        The problem here isn’t evidence: it is a hardened heart and an arrogant disposition that refuses to accept the facts.

        It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries. (Dr. Nelson Glueck)

        Again:

        Archaeology has confirmed countless passages which have been rejected by critics as unhistorical or contradictory to known facts…Yet archaeological discoveries have shown that these critical charges…are wrong and that the Bible is trustworthy in the very statements which have been set aside as untrustworthy…We do not know of any cases where the Bible has been proved wrong. (Dr. Joseph Free)

      5. Well, here we go. The ipuwer papyrus mentions no plagues and none of the events in exodus. The text is out there so quote from it where you want to say it mentions the plagues, etc. I’ll be waiting.

        ROFL. Oh my, sorry dear, it is a lie that the coins can’t be reproduced because of “copyright law”. Copyright law has no effect on the photos of coins and gee, if they are so important and true, the owner of the coins can waive copyright if that indeed would be the case (it isn’t). You are truly incompetent, but do keep lying and demonstrating that you have no more interest in listeing to your god’s commands than I am.

        The Smithsonian Institution, not “institute”, has never claimed to have had giant humanoid remains. It is, again, a lie. Christians like you do love baseless claims from other chrisitans.

        Titus Kennedy is a fraud, who like Ron Wyatt, just can’t even seem to show evidence for his claims. Frauds like them depend on the ignorant and desperate like you.

        I always love the claim that the bible is written in different “styles”, as a way to excuse the nonsense within. There is no evidence to support the claims in the bible. There are no “hundreds of artifacts” that support the claims in the bible. As always, poor dear Titus can never show these artifacts. It’s also grand fun to see the common Christian claim that since there are mentions of real people and real places in the bible, that means that the bible claims must be true. If this is the case, then every god of every religion is as real as yours since the myths of those cultures also mention real people and places.
        Alas for Glueck, plenty of archaeological discoveries have disproven bible stories. The problem that Glueck, and you, have is that Chrisitans and Jews can’t agree on when a supposed magical event happened. So, we have both absence of evidence for the magic, and we have evidence of absence since at any time claimed by theists, other things have happened, no magic to be seen. You also have the problem that Glueck made many baseless claims like finding “king solomon’s mines” which is known to be nonsense.

        Repeating lies doesn’t make them true, Mark. Repeating long superseded nonsense is even more amusing. Unsurprisingly, you have to cite long disproven claims and claims that have no evidence to support them, as well as lie about things like “copyright law”. We indeed do know that the bible has been proven wrong, since we have no evidence of 600,000+ people leaving Egypt at any point in time, language changing in a day at Babel, a worldwide 28,000+ foot deep flood, any fabulous palaces or temples, no “wisest man in the world”, no day where the sky darkened and a major earthquake happened and the dead wandered around Roman-occupied Jerusalem on a Passover, etc.

      6. Yes, here we go.

        I have quoted evidences from numerous Christian and non-Christian sources regarding the archaeological confirmation of the Bible. I have also noted several examples of how archaeological evidences support the claims of the Bible.

        You really are having a hard time with that, aren’t you?

        Well, let’s have some more. 🙂

        Since you seem to have a particular fascination with the Ipuwer Papyrus, let’s camp there a while.

        “Though the evidence for the Exodus has been slow to be gathered, there is good reason to believe that it actually occurred as described in the Bible. This thinking is based on the biblical testimony, Egyptian extrabiblical sources, and archaeological excavation in Egypt and neighboring regions. For example, one of the most well-known known documents in Egyptology is the Ipuwer papyrus (officially known as Papyrus Leiden 344), which records an account remarkably similar to the plagues described in the book of Exodus. The papyrus was obtained b y Swedish diplomat, Giovanni Anastasi, and sold to the Leiden Museum in Holland in 1828. No one realized the exact significance of the contents of the document until the first full translation was done in 1909 by a British Egyptologist, Alan H.Gardiner, under the title The Admonitions of an Egyptian tian Sage from a Hieratic Papyrus in Leiden. In addition, there have been many later full translations made, including an Oxford edition (2009). Currently, the document is stored at the National Museum of Antiquities in the Netherlands. Its contents are widely regarded by Egyptologists as a lamentation over the catastrophic conditions in Egypt written by a high Egyptian official named Ipuwer sometime time prior to the thirteenth century BC (which is consistent with either an early or late chronology for the Exodus) .* Ipuwer was known as one of the great wise sages in Egyptian tian history. His astonishing description of the conditions, to the surprise of Egyptologists, gists, appeared remarkably similar to the biblical account of the ten plagues recorded in the book of Exodus. The date of the Ipuwer manuscript approximately fits the Exodus date. The hieratic script style was in use at that time period, the events described are remarkably similar to the plagues, the location of the events (Egypt) matches the setting of the Exodus, and the odds of all these calamities occurring at the same time make them more than coincidental. dental. There is no scientific, linguistic, or historical fact that Egyptologists can point to that would decisively preclude the content of the papyrus being a lament over the Exodus plagues. A simple comparison of the content in both the book of Exodus and the Ipuwer papyrus leaves little doubt to their similarities (see table below).” (Joseph M. Holden & Norman Geisler, The Popular Handbook Of Archaeology And The Bible: Discoveries That Confirm The Reliability of Scripture, 2555-2568 (Kindle Edition); Eugene, Oregon; Harvest House Publishers).

        Now, let’s have some specific examples of how the Ipuwer Papyrus confirms the accounts of the Bible. Please pay special attention Vel.

        “Exodus 4: 9—And it shall be, if they do not believe even these two signs, or listen to your voice, that you shall take water from the river and pour it on the dry land. The water which you take from the river will become blood on the dry land.”

        Ipuwer 7: 5—Behold, Egypt is fallen to the pouring of water. And he who poured water on the ground seizes the mighty in misery.”

        Exodus 7: 20-21-20 And Moses and Aaron did so, just as the LORD commanded. So he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants. And all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. 21 The fish that were in the river died, the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink the water of the river. So there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt.

        Ipuwer 2: 10—The River is blood. If you drink of it, you lose your humanity, and thirst for water .”

        Exodus 9: 6, 23, 31—So the LORD did this thing on the next day, and all the livestock of Egypt died; but of the livestock of the children of Israel, not one died…. And Moses stretched out his rod toward heaven; and the LORD sent thunder and hail, and fire darted to the ground. And the LORD rained hail on the land of Egypt…. Now the flax and the barley were struck, for the barley was in the head and the flax was in bud.

        Ipuwer 6: 3; 3: 3; 7: 13—Gone is the barley of abundance . . . . Food supplies are running short. The nobles hunger and suffer . . . . Those who had shelter are in the dark of the storm .”

        Exodus 10: 15, 7—For they covered the face of the whole earth, so that the land was darkened; and they ate every herb of the land and all the fruit of the trees which the hail had left. So there remained nothing green on the trees or on the plants of the field throughout all the land of Egypt…. Then Pharaoh’s servants said to him, “How long shall this man be a snare to us? Let the men go, that they may serve the LORD their God. Do you not yet know that Egypt is destroyed?”

        Ipuwer 3: 13—“ What shall we do about it? All is ruin! ”

        Exodus 12: 29—And it came to pass at midnight that the LORD struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock.

        Ipuwer 2: 5, 6, 13; 4: 3—“ Behold, plague sweeps the land, blood is everywhere, with no shortage of the dead . . . . He who buries his brother in the ground is everywhere . . . . Woe is me for the grief of this time.”

        Exodus 12: 30—So Pharaoh rose in the night, he, all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was not a house where there was not one dead.”

        Ipuwer 3:14—Wailing is throughout the land, mingled with lamentations.”

        Those are some examples of how the Ipuwer Papyrus records events to what took place in the Exodus Vel.

        But let’s have a little more shall we?

        You have also insinuated that there is no evidence that the Jews were in Egypt as slaves during the time of the Exodus.

        However:

        “There is no doubt that there was a significant Semitic population throughout Egypt during the New Kingdom (see chap. 3).Because of the preponderance of epigraphic evidence for a Syro-Palestinian presence in Egypt from the mid to late second millennium B.C., even the most skeptical historian cannot dismiss the fact that both the Bible and Egyptian sources agree on this situation.42 Even as far south as Thebes there was a significant number of Semitic-speaking people during the Empire period.43 The names of Semites have even turned up among the workers of Deir el-Medineh in western Thebes.44” (James K. Hoffmeier, Israel In Egypt: The Evidence For The Authenticity Of The Exodus Tradition, 3689-3697 (Kindle Edition); New York, New York; Oxford University Press)

        Again:

        “If the children of Jacob were never slaves in Egypt in the first place, then how comes it that there lies in the Brooklyn Museum a papyrus, conventionally dated to around 1700 BC, which lists a number of Hebrew slaves, slaves who possessed such familiar names as Shiphrah and Menahem? 12 Shiphrah is of considerable interest to us, for that is the name of one of the Hebrew midwives mentioned in Exodus 1:15. Is it one and the same person? Who knows? However, not only the slaves’ names, but their offices and duties are also listed – ‘chief over the house’ (the very same office, that of ‘mer- per’, which Joseph held under Potiphar), ‘house servant’ and so on. Out of 95 slaves listed for this particular household, 37 no less are Hebrew. 13” (Bill Cooper, The Authenticity Of The Book Of Genesis, 2035-2040 (Kindle Edition)).

        Oh but I forgot….Christians are just telling “lies.”

        My friend, it is time for you to fess up here and acknowledge what is painfully obvious: archaeology continuously confirms the historicity of the Bible. I have already presented plenty of evidence from archaeologists like Gleuck (whose testimony remains unblemished regarding the Bible and archaeology).

        Here is a little more for you:

        “”In extraordinary ways, modern archaeology has affirmed the historical core of the Old and New Testaments-corroborating key portions of the stories of Israel’s patriarchs, the Exodus, the Davidic monarchy, and the life and times of Jesus.” (Jeffery Sheler, US News &WorldReport (October 25, 1999), 52)

        Again:

        “In extraordinary ways, modern archeology Is affirming the historical core of the Old and New Testaments, supporting key portions of crucial biblical stories.” (Jeffery L Sheler, “Is the Bible True?” Reader’s Digest, June 2000)

        Oh, but I am “lying” about the Smithsonian Institute and giants according to you.

        “The following is a brief list of documented findings, all recorded in the Annual Report of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution Showing the Operations, Expenditures, and Condition of the Institution for the Year […] series (each book title ending with the year the discovery was made): · One skull measuring “36 inches in circumference.”[ 152] Anna, Illinois, 1873. (The average circumference measurement for the human skull is between twenty-one and twenty-three inches, depending on varying factors such as sex, ethnicity, etc.) · One full skeleton with double rows of teeth, buried alongside a gigantic axe, referred to in the report as a “gigantic savage.”[ 153] The skeleton—with a colossal skull—fell apart after exhumation, so an exact height/ head circumference was not reported, but the record states that “its height must have been quite [meaning “at least”] seven feet.” Amelia Island, Florida, 1875. · Giant axes and “skinning stones.”[ 154] One weighed over fifteen pounds, had an ornately carved handle, and was of such mass that it was documented: “Only a giant could have wielded this.” Kishwaukee Mounds, Illinois, 1877. · One jawbone that easily slipped around the entire face of a large man on the research team; one thigh bone measuring “four inches longer than that of a man six feet two inches high”; one “huge skeleton, much taller than the current race of men.”[ 155] Kishwaukee Mounds, Illinois, 1877. According to the Fifth Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1883–1884, shortly following the discoveries in this bullet list, the Smithsonian team found ten more skeletons in mounds and burial sites in Wisconsin, Illinois, West Virginia, North Carolina, and Georgia. Not every one of them was measured for height, but each was documented as much larger than the skeletons of our current race; those that were measured ranged between seven to seven and a half feet long.[ 156] Similarly, in the Twelfth Annual Report of the Bureau of Ethnology to the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution 1894, two enormous skulls, several baffling femur bones, and seventeen full skeletons also measuring between seven to seven and a half feet long (one in East Dubuque, Illinois, measured almost eight feet) were unearthed in Illinois, Mississippi, Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia.[ 157] The West Virginia dig report contains an additional claim of “many large skeletons,” generically.[ 158] From these reports listed, more than forty thousand artifacts were found, including weapons, tools, jewelry, and various utensils that could not have feasibly been used by regular-sized humans.” (Stephen Quayle & Dr.Thomas R. Horn, Unearthing the Lost World of the Cloudeaters: Compelling Evidence of the Incursion of Giants, Their Extraordinary Technology, and Imminent Return, 4911-4937 (Kindle Edition); Defender Publishing)

        Did you know that these reports are available through Amazon?

        (By the way: these reports are identified as being from the Smithsonian INSTITUTION….your correction to “Institute” must not have realized this fact).

        But since this is such a sticking point with you as much as the Ipuwer Papyrus, let’s have some more.

        Since you are obviously an expert on Internet research, let me encourage you to look up the Rekhmire Tomb Paintings dating back to about 1475 B.C. You will see examples of the Egyptians drawing images of giants being taken in battle.

        Then maybe take a look at the Anastasi Papyrus, which describes Egyptian battles with the Shosu.

        “23,5 ones to look. Their eyes are good, thy hand grows weak(?)”. 25: T\’Q “^ /Q3 rn2«*’. Thou makest the name of every Maher, officers of the land of Egypt”. Thy name becomes like (that of) K-dr-d-y^ the chief of *I-s-r^*^ when the hyena” found him in the balsam-tree’*. — The(r) narrow defile’* is infested (?) with Shosu concealed beneath the bushes; some of them are of four cubits or of five cubits, from head(??) to foot(?)'”, fierce of face, their heart is not mild, and they hearken not to coaxing. Thou art alone, there is no helper(?)” with thee, no army””. (Sir Alan Henderson Gardiner, Egyptian Hieratic Texts Transcribed,1074-1086 (Kindle Edition) emphasis added, M.T.)

        Using the Egyptian royal cubit, this makes these giants roughly eight feet tall or larger.

        If you want more, just ask and I will gladly provide it.

        Now, you say this is all a lie-but here I am providing the proof.

        Regarding copyright law and the Joseph coins, I happen to know just a “little” about this. Several years ago, my wife was in the process of publishing a children’s book on Christian evidences and she had to purchase a license to reproduce a deal that she included in it. I provided documentation of the Joseph Coins, but you prefer to ignore it.

        It is not about a lack of evidence Vel, it is about the hardened condition of your heart. I hope you will decide to open it to the truth.

        Have a blessed day!! 🙂

      7. and funny how not oen of these are from a non-christain source. Sheler is a Christian, dear and an apologist. Try again.

        and again, still lies about copyright about the coins. Funny how there are no photos to be copyrighted. Oh darn!

        no evidence of giants, and the shosu weren’t giants. I do love that you haven’t a clue what a cubit is and that “giants” are no taller than a pro basketball player. Oh noes, the giants! ROFL.

        I do love the quotes from the Ipuwer papyrus, and how they don’t match Exodus. 7.5 doesn’t mention anything about “pouring water”, nor about who did it.

        The nile often turns red, and this is nothing new.

        Nothing new about famine, and surprise no magic fire falling from the sky, nor locusts, nor frogs, etc.

        No mention of all of the first born dying, just the usual death that can happen from illness. It wasn’t limited to the first born dear, don’t you think they’d hve mention such a thing?

        Yep, lots of semitic speakin people. Not all semitic people are Israelites, adn still not one latrine, trashpit or grave found from the 600,000+ plus people and animals wandering around, *despite* the bible saying where they went. Funny, hmmm?

        alas, Glueck isn’t unquestioned at all.

        Try again.

      8. So you now are claiming that US News & Word Report and Readers Digest are Christian sources? 😂

        Maybe you should consider the testimony of former skeptic William Ramsay who was firmly opposed to the historicity of the Bible. Indeed, he was so opposed to it that he set out to prove that Luke and Acts were forgeries written over a years years after the first century!! In many ways, he was like you (except he had much better arguments against Christianity, which were answered just as easily as yours).

        Then, guess what happened as he came face to face with the archaeological evidence?

        “First, let me share with you the story of Sir William M. Ramsay (1851-1939), famed as the once-skeptical New Testament scholar and archaeologist who became a staunch believer in the historical accuracy of the New Testament. He was educated in Scotland (University of Aberdeen) erdeen) and England (Oxford University), during which time he became enamored with the extremely critical scholarship of the F. C. Baur school of Tubingen, Germany. As a result of this, in 1890, he embarked on a journey through the biblical lands in order to confirm the historical errors rors of the New Testament writers. To his great surprise, he found that, at point after point, archeological data and sound historical scholarship confirmed the accuracy of the New Testament authors, and he wrote several important volumes that are still used to this day.95 Subsequent scholarship over the last century has brought further confirmation to Ramsay’s writings.” (Michael Brown, Answering Jewish Objections To Jesus: Volume Four-New Testament Objections, 41 (Kindle Edition); Grand Rapids, Michigan; Baker Books)

        There comes a point where a person’s comments are just pointless bickering. Thank you for showing the best of atheism for everyone here. I’ll stay with the evidence and continue to follow and speak words of “truth and reason” (Acts 26:25). And I’ll encourage you to open your eyes to the truth.

        I’ll conclude our discussion with this.

        “It is important to realize that archaeological excavations have produced ample evidence to prove unequivocally that the Bible is not a pious forgery. Thus far, no historical statement in the Bible has proven false on the basis of evidence retrieved through archaeologic research.” (Keith N. Schoville, Biblical Archaeology in Focus (Grand Rapids: Baker Books)), p. 156.

        And:

        “There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of Old Testament tradition.”[“Archaeology and the Religion of Israel,” in An Introduction to Bible Archaeology, ed. Howard F. Vos (Chicago: Moody Press, n.d.), p. 121.)

        And:

        “On the whole, however, archaeological work has unquestionably strengthened confidence in the reliability of the scriptural record. More than one archaeologist has found his respect for the Bible increased by the experience of excavation in Palestine. Archaeology has in many cases refuted the views of modern critics. It has shown, in a number of instances, that these views rest on false assumptions and unreal, artificial schemes of historical development. This is a real contribution and not to be minimized.”[Millar Burrows, “What Mean These Stones?” in An Introduction to Bible Archaeology, ed. Howard F. Vos (Chicago: Moody Press, n.d.), pp. 91-92.)

      9. Looks like you need to do some study on what “I will now bring this conclusion to a close” means.

        Been a pleasure chatting with you! 🙂

  17. Papias records that Matthew was originally written in Aramaic. The Catholic church has simply used this as an excuse to justify the papacy and Peter’s alleged ascension to leadership. Also it is likely that in conversation with His disciples, Jesus would have spoken in Aramaic. But Aramaic Matthew must of necessity been translated into Greek by the original disciple as quotes of it appear word for word in Mark and Luke. Although the original meaning can be preserved, no two translators would come up with word for word translations in all cases. This can be seen by simply comparing the New International and New American Standard versions. Both are translated by scholars from similar evangelical backgrounds (Gleason Archer and Howard Ervin worked on both) and yet the language is not identical.

    1. Thanks for the good insights!!

      I personally believe that there was an Aramaic copy of Matthew’s Gospel (even though one has never been recovered). Yet I also believe (based on the reasoning presented above) the Greek copy would logically have been the original. And the Greek makes a definite distinction between Peter (petros) and the rock (Petra).

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